Wild About The World
Go Back   Wild About The World > World Wildlife > Water Life Forums
Register Members  
» Log in
User Name:

Password:

Not a member yet?
Register Now!
» Ads
» May 2013
S M T W T F S
282930 1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30 31 1
» ...
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 19-02-2012, 03:58 PM
goosey's Avatar
Completely Wild Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 10,924
Shells for ID

I thought these two were quite pretty and distictive and would be easy enough to ID, but I have been looking and they aren't .

1. Seaweed had totally fused the shell, it is that you can see it stuck to the edge of it.

1.


2.This marbled shell had a distictive serrated edge.

2.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 19-02-2012, 06:10 PM
Really Wild Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 1,335
Hi Goosey,

Of course I dunno shells, but maybe have a look at Zirfaea crispata and Donax (vittatus?)

Cheers, Arp
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 19-02-2012, 07:09 PM
goosey's Avatar
Completely Wild Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 10,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudding4brains View Post
Hi Goosey,

Of course I dunno shells, but maybe have a look at Zirfaea crispata and Donax (vittatus?)

Cheers, Arp
You're a dark horse! Fancy knowing shells even when you say you don't, and you must live almost as far as it is possible to be away from the coast over in the East of the country!

You are spot on with the Zirfaea crispata.

Although I can't see any visual examples like the other one I found Donax vittatus written description sounds good for it. Black could know?

Thanks Arp
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 19-02-2012, 11:38 PM
Really Wild Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 1,335
I would suspect the black streaks to be (scars of old?) damage or so

(I grew up in Oegstgeest at about a 30 minute bike ride from the beach, but wasn't much into IDing wildlife then )

Cheers, Arp
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 20-02-2012, 03:55 PM
black's Avatar
Really Wild Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Liverpool for my sins
Posts: 4,498
Yes Goosey, the second marbled shell looks like a Banded Wedge Shell Donax vittatus. The seratted edge has a fancy name of marginal crenulations.

Staining of shells is quite interesting
Anaerobic bacteria living in anoxic sediments produce hydrogen sulphide that can interact with iron in the sediment producing iron sulphides that blacken sea shells. This blackening only usually occurs on the shell surface. If more oxidising conditions and iron is present - leading to the formation of ferric oxides then shells can be stained orange. Pink or red pigments can occur in some shells such as oysters depending on what the 'shell' was feeding on.
__________________
"The silliest woman can manage a very clever man but it takes a very clever woman to manage a fool" Rudyard Kipling
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 20-02-2012, 05:13 PM
goosey's Avatar
Completely Wild Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 10,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by black View Post
Yes Goosey, the second marbled shell looks like a Banded Wedge Shell Donax vittatus. The seratted edge has a fancy name of marginal crenulations.

Staining of shells is quite interesting
Anaerobic bacteria living in anoxic sediments produce hydrogen sulphide that can interact with iron in the sediment producing iron sulphides that blacken sea shells. This blackening only usually occurs on the shell surface. If more oxidising conditions and iron is present - leading to the formation of ferric oxides then shells can be stained orange. Pink or red pigments can occur in some shells such as oysters depending on what the 'shell' was feeding on.
That is an interesting thought. I will keep an eye out for more blackening shells and other stained shells .
Fancy shells having crenulations and I thought it was just castles .
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 20-03-2012, 04:22 PM
goosey's Avatar
Completely Wild Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 10,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by black View Post
Yes Goosey, the second marbled shell looks like a Banded Wedge Shell Donax vittatus. The seratted edge has a fancy name of marginal crenulations.

Staining of shells is quite interesting
Anaerobic bacteria living in anoxic sediments produce hydrogen sulphide that can interact with iron in the sediment producing iron sulphides that blacken sea shells. This blackening only usually occurs on the shell surface. If more oxidising conditions and iron is present - leading to the formation of ferric oxides then shells can be stained orange. Pink or red pigments can occur in some shells such as oysters depending on what the 'shell' was feeding on.
It looks as if Donax vittatusis could be prone to staining, I found another one yesterday which was stained. But that is a bit of a wild statement seeing as I have only ever come across two stained shells, not the sort of evidence to base a thesis on .

The other shell in the image, also Donax vittatusis is void of all staining and very pretty, though it has been attacked, bored into by a Necklace Shell -Euspira catena and predated if the hole is full thickness (I didn't check )


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 25-03-2012, 07:38 PM
Really Wild Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 1,335
Interesting stuff about the predation. I had no idea - thanks
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 28-09-2012, 03:07 PM
goosey's Avatar
Completely Wild Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 10,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by goosey View Post
2.This marbled shell had a distictive serrated edge.

2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by black View Post
Yes Goosey, the second marbled shell looks like a Banded Wedge Shell Donax vittatus. The seratted edge has a fancy name of marginal crenulations.

Staining of shells is quite interesting
Anaerobic bacteria living in anoxic sediments produce hydrogen sulphide that can interact with iron in the sediment producing iron sulphides that blacken sea shells. This blackening only usually occurs on the shell surface. If more oxidising conditions and iron is present - leading to the formation of ferric oxides then shells can be stained orange. Pink or red pigments can occur in some shells such as oysters depending on what the 'shell' was feeding on.
It has been a while but earlier this week I came across another stained shell, this time not a Banded Wedge Shell.
I don't know that the shell is but the staining is a lot browner this time.
This new shell also has a yellow hue like the Banded wedge shells, do you think staining occurs more often in yellow shells?




An Id would be great if anyone can help out?
Thanks.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 29-09-2012, 04:30 PM
chris butterworth's Avatar
Wild Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Wirral - sometimes
Posts: 400
The shell is Tapes decussatus Chequered Carpet Shell, probably the commonest of the Venus Shells. The rather 'square' shape, the fine radiating lines becoming coarser at the ends and, on the first photo, a few brown zigzags at the right hand end near the margin are the best ID features. I think the staining shows up better on yellowish shells, mainly 'clams' because they tend to burrow deeper than cockles and can be in contact with anerobic muds.

Chris
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 29-09-2012, 09:20 PM
goosey's Avatar
Completely Wild Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 10,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by chris butterworth View Post
The shell is Tapes decussatus Chequered Carpet Shell, probably the commonest of the Venus Shells. The rather 'square' shape, the fine radiating lines becoming coarser at the ends and, on the first photo, a few brown zigzags at the right hand end near the margin are the best ID features. I think the staining shows up better on yellowish shells, mainly 'clams' because they tend to burrow deeper than cockles and can be in contact with anerobic muds.

Chris
Thanks Chris, now to look out for some staining on non yellow shells!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 08-10-2012, 04:33 PM
Really Wild Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 1,335
Howdy,

Maybe interesting as the predation issue popped up earlier. In the 2nd issue of Kijk op Exoten (sept. 2012) a fairly new fierce predator named Rapana venosa is mentioned.

Cheers, Arp
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply  

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
I collected ten pounds of sea shells at Edisto Beach MarkGelbart Geology Forum 4 06-06-2010 05:01 PM
Sea shells paul m Water Life Forums 0 03-12-2009 09:00 AM
conker shells goosey Wildflowers, Plants & Trees Forums 2 16-09-2008 10:11 AM

» New Wildlife Threads
Go to first new post Jackdaw attack
Last post by goosey
Yesterday 11:22 AM
0 Replies, 44 Views
Go to first new post Botanical gardens
Last post by paul m
Yesterday 07:03 AM
52 Replies, 5,500 Views
Go to first new post Peat free compost
Last post by basquesteve
21-05-2013 10:37 PM
4 Replies, 136 Views
Go to first new post European Bison (Bison...
Last post by goosey
21-05-2013 04:18 PM
6 Replies, 1,703 Views
Go to first new post tornado outbreak...
Last post by paul m
21-05-2013 11:55 AM
4 Replies, 1,323 Views
Go to first new post Groningen gas fields -...
Last post by goosey
21-05-2013 10:06 AM
1 Replies, 42 Views
Go to first new post Blackcap?
Last post by jaguarondi
18-05-2013 02:44 PM
8 Replies, 228 Views
Go to first new post What's your weather like...
Last post by goosey
18-05-2013 08:37 AM
716 Replies, 46,575 Views
» New Community Threads
Your special foods
Last post by goosey
10-05-2013 12:14 PM
37 Replies, 4,309 Views
Happy May Day
Last post by paul m
01-05-2013 08:58 AM
1 Replies, 922 Views
» Stats
Members: 24,582
Threads: 2,586
Posts: 14,492
Top Poster: goosey (10,924)
Welcome to our newest member, Rita18D
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.1.0

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:26 AM.



SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0 ©2008, Crawlability, Inc.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52