Caterpillars for ID (urgent)

[onlyricky]

Hello, please help me with these.. it's urgent because I'm owning the first one at home )))

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2# - Found it falling from a maple tree




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I've a feeling this one is a sawfly..what do you think? I found it in some kind of gorse...

please help thanks ^_^

[goosey]

Originally Posted by onlyricky

Hello, please help me with these.. it's urgent because I'm owning the first one at home )))

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I wonder if it could be The Scarce Merveille du Jour (Moma alpium)? The markings look good but yours had more ginger hair.

gevlekte groenuil (Moma alpium)

Originally Posted by onlyricky

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I've a feeling this one is a sawfly..what do you think? I found it in some kind of gorse...

Yes I think you are right with sawfly .

[onlyricky]

Originally Posted by goosey

I wonder if it could be The Scarce Merveille du Jour (Moma alpium)? The markings look good but yours had more ginger hair.

gevlekte groenuil (Moma alpium)

the ginger is about the flash and contrast! it is the one! thanks! it feeds on quercus so it is easy to me to own it

[onlyricky]

Yes I think you are right with sawfly .

any guesses of which sawfly? and I wonder, what sawfly larvae eats?

[onlyricky]

By the way, The maple tree caterpillar, it made like a Leaf nest... It is all ''rolled'' up with the leaf... will it pupate? or is it's normal behavior to some caterpillars?

[goosey]

Originally Posted by onlyricky

any guesses of which sawfly? and I wonder, what sawfly larvae eats?

I think different sawfly eat different things, I have sawfly in the garden that eat will leaves, but I have seen others that eat flag iris leaves and others which eat oak.


There are some images of sawfly larvae here if you can read German.
Larven anderer Insekten

[goosey]

Originally Posted by onlyricky

By the way, The maple tree caterpillar, it made like a Leaf nest... It is all ''rolled'' up with the leaf... will it pupate? or is it's normal behavior to some caterpillars?

Yes this is normal bevaiour for many caterpillars, it makes them less obvious to bird's. They often pupate rolled in the leaf or by sticking two or three leaves together with silky threads, safely away from birds, insects and the weather until they emerge.

[onlyricky]

Originally Posted by goosey

Yes this is normal bevaiour for many caterpillars, it makes them less obvious to bird's. They often pupate rolled in the leaf or by sticking two or three leaves together with silky threads, safely away from birds, insects and the weather until they emerge.

cute...I'll wait to see what will happen :P

I have forests nearby home, so all the caterpillars I find, I usually save them at home.
I've already this year made many hatch many beautiful butterflies and moths I love it! and I think it is good to nature...

[goosey]

Originally Posted by onlyricky

cute...I'll wait to see what will happen :P

I have forests nearby home, so all the caterpillars I find, I usually save them at home.
I've already this year made many hatch many beautiful butterflies and moths I love it! and I think it is good to nature...

You are lucky!

Do you have a good success rate with your larva pupating then the butterfly/moth emerging? I suppose if you know what the larvae are, what their food plant is and have an easily collectable fresh supply you and they will be OK.

I have larvae in the garden, it is almost impossible to keep track of some because they are not fussy eaters, those which stay on the same food plant are easier. I have had a lot lof white butterfly larvae which have been attacked by braconid wasp's (Cotesia glomerata) and parasitised this year. Then there are the pupae which make it but I miss the final emergence and just find the empty pupal case's which is so frustrating.
I am tempted to remove any pupae I find to a hatching box so I can witness the event or at least see what emerges but I am scared I will harm the pupa and stop development and how would I attach the pupa to a twig?

[onlyricky]

Originally Posted by goosey

You are lucky!

Do you have a good success rate with your larva pupating then the butterfly/moth emerging? I suppose if you know what the larvae are, what their food plant is and have an easily collectable fresh supply you and they will be OK.

I have larvae in the garden, it is almost impossible to keep track of some because they are not fussy eaters, those which stay on the same food plant are easier. I have had a lot lof white butterfly larvae which have been attacked by braconid wasp's (Cotesia glomerata) and parasitised this year. Then there are the pupae which make it but I miss the final emergence and just find the empty pupal case's which is so frustrating.
I am tempted to remove any pupae I find to a hatching box so I can witness the event or at least see what emerges but I am scared I will harm the pupa and stop development and how would I attach the pupa to a twig?

hmmm I've never questioned that!I leave my cocoons (and caterpillars) in a ferrero Roché box (LOL)..day by day i open them, and i give fresh food 3 days per week (the leaves stay ok about 3 weeks)...
then they pupate alone, and i glue the extremity (the lower one), but with few glue..then they hatch some time after...the ones that make the cocoon now, they hatch in few times...the one that made the cocoon on the winter, only hatch in the spring, what was the case of the frillitaries, the papilion machaon and the cabbage white