A few more for ID please

[goosey]

I haven't got very far with these so any help would be appreciated.

1. These were on dead wood, and the caps 1.5-2cm across. I didn't notice velvety texture wheb I saw them - that only became obvious with the photo's.

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2. The stem was 5cm tall, but the way the cap turned up made it look taller. Found under beech.
I thought maybe this is a Russet Tough shank?

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[goosey]

I have a few more I haven't been able to ID either, all from October.

3. This was very difficult to get to, growing on wood dumped in the middle of a mega log pile. I was streching out the camera nad taking pictures blind. I thought the yellow skin on the stipe would help me but it hasn't so far. It was about 6cm tall, though I didn't manage to get a tape measure to it.

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4. This bumpy capped specimen was also found on a pile of logs. It was 6.5cm tall.

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5. This was on a tree stump about 2m away from number 4. It was 8cm tall, the cap was 6cm across.
The bit of orange you can see on the inside of the cap is a centipede, nothing to do with the fungus.

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Don't forget to have a look at 1+2, I am still after ID's for these .
Thanks.

[Cybershot]

After many frustrating moments searching all known references I am no closer to IDing these specimens and I am sure they should be readily identifiable from some of their distinct characteristics such as the anastomosing lamellae of #2.

#4/#5 I think may be Pluteus species but it is often difficult to identify the individual species though free gills, pink spores and a raddish-like odour should confirm genus. The gills are white to start with and turning pink at a later stage. P. phlebophorus (stipe whitish shiny smooth) and P. cervinus (stipe whitish with black-grey fibres) may fit the bill in each of these cases.

Good luck

David

[Cybershot]

With regard to #2 keep an eye on a new thread on WAB:

Unidentifed Fungi - Wild About Britain Pics

http://www.wildaboutbritain.co.uk/fo...d-cumbria.html

It may reveal an answer.

My mind is taken back to yet another thread about Teratologic forms of such species as Laccaria and Tubaria, but I could be way off track:

Teratologic forms - morel-like growth - Wild About Britain

Would love to know the outcome.

David

[goosey]

Thanks David for trying so hard for ID's - much appreciated.
Looking up your Pluteus suggestions for 4+5 (I didn't notice any radish like odour) I came across Pluteus diettrichii -what do you think of that being a possibility for the fungi in image 1? (BTW this was found with Pluteus leoninus)

[Cybershot]

Originally Posted by Cybershot

With regard to #2 keep an eye on a new thread on WAB:

Unidentifed Fungi - Wild About Britain Pics

Help with ID x 2 (High Stand, Cumbria) - Wild About Britain

It may reveal an answer.

My mind is taken back to yet another thread about Teratologic forms of such species as Laccaria and Tubaria, but I could be way off track:

Teratologic forms - morel-like growth - Wild About Britain

Would love to know the outcome.

David

Looks like Nick (responding to the WAB thread) and I were having simultaneous similar thoughts so there may be something in it after all

[NickCantle]

Right, just had a good look through (thanks to David for the heads up!) and here's what I reckon.

The first is Psathyrella. EDIT: I'm going to subtract that suggestion and sub it for Pluteus- that stipe is very hoary.

I'd put alot on your second one being a teratologic form of Xerula radicata. The cap in the second image is greasy and has a very distinctive umbo- a real clincher in this case.

Third is Armillaria! Greenish hue to the loose veil seems rather typical, as do the scales on the pileus. Looks like the base is swollen too.

Fourth- Hmm! Indeed! Not a clue.

I'd most certainly agree with David on this being a Pluteus, looks lots like P. cervinus.

Hope that helps a little!

Nick

[Cybershot]

Well played that man! Glad someone's thinking cap is serviceable

Will have to check the references based on your suggestions, but they look pretty impressive and have me slapping my forehead.... DOH

Hope you've given Shirley some good steers for further research.

David

[goosey]

Originally Posted by NickCantle

The first is Psathyrella. EDIT: I'm going to subtract that suggestion and sub it for Pluteus- that stipe is very hoary.

I'd put alot on your second one being a teratologic form of Xerula radicata. The cap in the second image is greasy and has a very distinctive umbo- a real clincher in this case.

I'd most certainly agree with David on this being a Pluteus, looks lots like P. cervinus.

Originally Posted by goosey

I came across Pluteus diettrichii -what do you think of that being a possibility for the fungi in image 1? (BTW this was found with Pluteus leoninus)

Excellent excellent!!! Thank you David and Nick so much with these ID's and a new word Teratologic - I have never heard this before .

I am glad we all came up with Pluteus Sp for image 1. (especially the fact that I did too ). I am more than happy to have a species but what do you think about Pluteus diettrichii?

And Yes about the Xerula radicata, the teratologic form really threw me , I was looking for something that looked like that all the time! Any way I have seen so much of this recently, usually very tall so now you point out the greasy cap it's obvious.

[Cybershot]

Having settled on Honey Fungus for #3 then it's pretty certain that it will be Armillaria mellea which has a characteristic yellow rim on the ring.

Regarding Pluteus diettrichii for #1:

"Pluteus diettrichii Bres., Annls mycol. 3(2): 160 (1905)
Pluteus rimulosus Kühner & Romagn., Bull. trimest. Soc. mycol. Fr. 72: 182 (1956)
Habitat: On soil, or rarely very decayed wood of deciduous trees, including woodchip mulch on flowerbeds."
Ref:Checklist of the British & Irish Basidiomycota

and FOS says " Solitary alongside paths and roads, on bare (sandy) soil and rotting remains of leaves. Summer - fall. Rare"
"Pileus 30-40(50) mm across, conic-campanulate when young, convex to plane, with a depressed center and low, obtuse umbo, sometimes with an uplifted margin when old, surface dry, dull, finely micaceous-velutinous to granulose, grooved-venose and aerolate toward the margin, with the cream-coloured flesh becoming visible between the areolae, dark- to black-brown, paler toward the margin, margin acute and cleft. Lamellae deeply cream-coloured for a long time,later increasingly pink, broad, free, edges flocculose. Stipe cylindical, solid, hollow when old, rigid, surface cream-coloured, whole length covered with silvery white fibrils, later grey-brownish, base slightly enlarged and white-tormentose."

[Cybershot]

Despite having swallowed 'Dictionary of the Fungi' to decipher the FOS description I am still not sure about the ID to species level of your pluteus at #1, and though the image in FOS is misleading Jordan's photo is pretty close.

David

[goosey]

Originally Posted by Cybershot

Despite having swallowed 'Dictionary of the Fungi' to decipher the FOS description I am still not sure about the ID to species level of your pluteus at #1, and though the image in FOS is misleading Jordan's photo is pretty close.

David

I was using Jordans discription of Pluteus diettrichii when I suggested it - grasping at straws really.

"Smallish agaric with dark brown cap and pink gills; solitary or in small more or less tufted grups, near rotting stumps and on other woody debris of broad leaf trees"
Then starts to discribes the cap "dark brown downy-pruinrose or matt"it was the downy part which caught my attention. Once I had a name I looked for images that looked more like mine than the one in the book does.

I am soon to come into posession of a new fungi book "Collins Complete British Mushrooms and Toadstools" perhaps I should have gone with something more European but I think this should suffice - I hope so. It will be nice to have another book to look at - I would rather do that than the internet really - then once I have an idea of where to start then look for other examples and what things look like in peoples images on the internet at different stages etc.

[Cybershot]

I use a pocket guide from the Black's Nature Guide series called 'Mushrooms and Toadstools of Britain and Europe' by Adreas Gminder.

(No, sadly it doesn't feature amongst the Pluteus he lists)

[bulbosa]

P. diettrichii is a distinct possibility but when it gets to this stage the "microscopy needed" card gets played.

Mal

[goosey]

Originally Posted by bulbosa

P. diettrichii is a distinct possibility but when it gets to this stage the "microscopy needed" card gets played.

Mal

Thanks Mal, I don't have a microscope and I don't really see myself going down that road - I would never get anything done at home if I have another interest .
I am happy to have got it down to a species with everyones help .